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Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Sáb Jun 10, 2017 9:36 pm
por coldheart
“All my boys are gonna be one-and-done. Gelo [LiAngelo] is going [to] be one-and-done whether he’s good or bad,” LaVar said. “I’m going to put him in the draft, hope they don’t take him. Bring him into the Lakers as a free agent, let him wind up with his brother and watch how good they play together….I’m going to do the same thing with Melo,” LaVar said. “And we get three of the Ball boys on the Lakers together, and we gonna go championship, championship, championship, championship, championship. You think I’m playing? You saw what they did in high school.”

Esse LaVar é completamente doente. :lol:

Confesso que eu ia rir muito se o Lakers não draftasse o Ball. :valca:

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Seg Jun 12, 2017 1:35 pm
por cdcccccc
Eu não gosto do Josh Jackson não, acho loucura passar o Ball por causa do pai dele.

Josh lembra demais o Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. MKG é monstro na defesa, mas sem jogo ofensivo o impacto geral dele vai quase todo pro ralo.

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Seg Jun 12, 2017 2:31 pm
por danilobaldusco
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Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Ter Jun 13, 2017 12:24 am
por custodio
cdcccccc escreveu:Eu não gosto do Josh Jackson não, acho loucura passar o Ball por causa do pai dele.

Josh lembra demais o Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. MKG é monstro na defesa, mas sem jogo ofensivo o impacto geral dele vai quase todo pro ralo.
Tem que ser muito imbecil pra fazer isso

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Ter Jun 13, 2017 12:55 am
por coldheart
custodio escreveu:
cdcccccc escreveu:Eu não gosto do Josh Jackson não, acho loucura passar o Ball por causa do pai dele.
Tem que ser muito imbecil pra fazer isso

Ninguém na NBA vai passar o Ball por conta do pai dele.

Se o Lakers não draftar o moleque, vai ser exclusivamente porque achou que outro jogador é melhor do que ele, simples assim.

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Ter Jun 13, 2017 1:05 am
por danilobaldusco
Eu já disse que acho Fox mais jogador que Ball.
Mas também sei que Ball é muito bom.

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Qui Jun 15, 2017 3:05 am
por coldheart
Chad Ford:

Rating top NBA draft prospects, from Tier 1 to Tier 6

Chad Ford ESPN Senior Writer


Is this the best NBA draft in a decade or more? Our tier system is loaded with prospects in the top two tiers, challenging some of the best drafts in recent memory.

Big Boards, top 100s and mock drafts are the most efficient way to communicate what I'm hearing from NBA scouts, general managers and the like. Those formats have their place, but there is another format I prefer -- draft tiers.

Ranking players in a single-file sequence is problematic, and for the past decade, most NBA teams have gotten away from the practice. That's also what makes mock drafts so challenging.

In many cases, there is not a consensus on a draft prospect. Two scouts can watch the same player in the same game and come to wildly different evaluations about a player. Two GMs can sit with the same player in an interview and walk away with different impressions about who the player really is. Two analytical models, both purporting to offer a more objective look at a player through his statistics, can spit out radically different conclusions.

Each team may have 10 to 15 voices in the room advocating for different things. Many teams don't decide until draft day who they'll take.

This year is no exception. While Markelle Fultz has been No. 1 on our Big Board most of the year, Josh Jackson, Lonzo Ball, De'Aaron Fox and Jayson Tatum have strong advocates. Few teams agree what order the next five or six players should go. Get even further down in the draft and the disparity between how teams rank players grows.

To make sense of all this, I've chronicled a draft ranking -- employed by a number of teams -- called the tier system.

In the tier system, teams group players based on overall talent. Then the teams rank the players in each tier based on team need. This system allows teams to draft not only the best player available, but also the player who best fits a team's individual needs.

A more detailed explanation of how the tier system works can be found here.

Note: Players in each tier are listed alphabetically.

Tier 1 (Potential superstars)


Lonzo Ball, PG, UCLA

Markelle Fultz, PG, Washington

Last draft we had just one player in this category: Ben Simmons. The year before that, Karl-Anthony Towns was the only player here.

This category is usually reserved for guys who are surefire All-Stars or franchise players. Only six other players since we started this column in 2009 -- Blake Griffin, John Wall, Anthony Davis, Andrew Wiggins, Joel Embiid and Jabari Parker -- have been ranked in this slot.

Fultz was unanimously nominated for Tier 1 by the NBA scouts and executives I polled for this piece. Ball was more polarizing for sure, but he still got a majority of the votes for Tier 1.

Three other players -- Josh Jackson, De'Aaron Fox and Jayson Tatum -- received votes for Tier 1.

Tier 2 (All-Star potential)

De'Aaron Fox, PG, Fr., Kentucky

Jonathan Isaac, F, Fr., Florida State

Josh Jackson, G/F, Fr., Kansas

Lauri Markkanen, PF, Fr., Arizona

Malik Monk, G, Fr., Kentucky

Frank Ntilikina, PG, France

Dennis Smith, PG, Fr., North Carolina State

Jayson Tatum, F, Fr., Duke

This is the largest Tier 2 we've ever had. This tier is reserved for players with All-Star potential. However, each player in Tier 2 has a weakness that some teams believe will keep him from being a superstar.

In Fox and Jackson's case, it's the lack of a consistent jumper. Isaac needs to add strength and find a position. Markkanen and Monk are too one-dimensional right now. Smith and Tatum might be too selfish with the ball. Ntilikina isn't an elite athlete.

Fox, Jackson and Tatum all received only Tier 1 and Tier 2 votes. Isaac, Monk and Smith all were unanimous in Tier 2. Markkanen and Ntilikina had some Tier 3 votes, but the majority were Tier 2. Zach Collins received a lot of votes in Tier 2, but just barely missed the cut.

Having 10 players in the first two tiers is extraordinary for a draft class.

Tier 3 (NBA starters)

OG Anunoby, F, So., Indiana

Zach Collins, F/C, Fr., Gonzaga

Harry Giles, PF, Fr., Duke

Luke Kennard, G, So., Duke

Donovan Mitchell, G, So., Louisville

This is a solid Tier 3, but with the exception of Collins, most teams see a significant drop-off here. This tier is usually reserved for players who are projected as NBA starters in their careers.

Having 15 players in the first three tiers makes for a very strong draft. The closest we got was in 2014 when we had 12 players in the top three tiers. Of this group, Collins was the only player not to receive Tier 4 votes, so the consensus breaks down at this point.

The biggest issue for scouts was ranking Anunoby and Giles. Both have had significant knee injuries. Giles is actually healed and ready to play, but teams are worried because he has had two major knee surgeries and didn't look nearly as explosive at Duke last season. Anunoby hurt his knee in January and could miss his rookie season.

Based on sheer talent, virtually every scout and front office executive had Giles as either a Tier 1 or Tier 2 prospect. And all but one had Anunoby as a Tier 2 guy. If they get healthy, they're steals in Tier 3. But their previous injuries put a cloud over their draft stock.

Tier 4 (Starters, high-level rotation players)

Jarrett Allen, C, Fr., Texas

Ike Anigbogu, C, Fr., UCLA

John Collins, PF, So., Wake Forest

Justin Patton, C, Fr., Creighton

This is a smaller Tier 4 group than usual.

Teams are really all over the place on these guys. John Collins received a lot of votes for Tier 3 (and none in Tier 5), but the majority of teams had these players ranked in Tier 4.

All three of the others -- Allen, Anigbogu and Patton -- barely made the cut into Tier 4, with just over 50 percent voting them in Tier 4 and the rest in Tier 5. None of them received Tier 3 votes.

Tier 5 (Rotation players)

Edrice Adebayo, PF, Fr., Kentucky

Tony Bradley, C, Fr., North Carolina

Terrance Ferguson, SG, Australia

Frank Jackson, G, Fr., Duke

Justin Jackson, SF, Jr., North Carolina

TJ Leaf, PF, Fr., UCLA

Anzejs Pasecniks, C, Latvia

Ivan Rabb, PF, So., Cal

Caleb Swanigan, PF, So., Purdue

D.J. Wilson, PF, Jr., Michigan

This next group is a bit small for a Tier 5, but it's small in part because of how big the top three tiers are. This area of the draft is typically reserved for rotation players who are unlikely to start for good teams but could become solid role players off the bench.

In this draft, that's roughly picks Nos. 20-30. A few players in this tier received Tier 4 votes. They included Jackson, Leaf and Pasecniks. And a couple of players on this list received Tier 6 votes, including Rabb and Swanigan.

Tier 6 (potential first-rounders)

Jordan Bell, PF, Jr., Oregon

Jonah Bolden, SF, Australia

Thomas Bryant, F/C, So. Indiana

Jawun Evans, PG, So., Oklahoma State

Josh Hart, SG, Sr., Villanova

Isaiah Hartenstein, PF, Germany

Tyler Lydon, SF, So., Syracuse

Semi Ojeleye, F, Jr., SMU

Alec Peters, F, Sr., Valpariso

Monte Morris, PG, Sr., Iowa State

Devin Robinson, SF, Jr., Florida

Derrick White, PG, Jr., Colorao

This tier has the players that at least one team told me they had ranked in their top 30. A few -- Bell, Evans, Hartenstein, Lydon and Ojeleye -- got Tier 5 votes. The rest are likely second-round picks.

Like every draft system, the tier system isn't perfect, but the teams that run it have found that it improves their performance. It has allowed them to get help through the draft without overreaching. Compared to traditional top-30 lists or mock drafts, it seems like a much more precise tool of gauging which players a team should draft.

:wink:

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Sáb Jun 17, 2017 1:31 am
por coldheart
@WojVerticalNBA


Sources: Philadelphia is waiting on medical information on Markelle Fultz, but deep into talks on acquiring Boston's No. 1 overall pick.

Boston would acquire Sixers No. 3 overall pick in 2017 and package to include future first from Sixers, sources say.

Deal talks are far enough along that Fultz could be on his way to Philadelphia for a meeting Saturday, sources say.

Ainge quer juntar todas as picks da liga. :lol:

Tem rumores de que o Lakers tbm pode trocar pra baixo. Parece que o Suns quer muito o Ball.

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Sáb Jun 17, 2017 4:13 pm
por Evandro_Sixers
Acho uma boa. Prefiro sacrificar picks pra pegar o Fultz do que ganhar picks pra pegar DSJ/Monk. Mas não to otimista, seria bom demais pra ser verdade :roll:

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Dom Jun 18, 2017 12:29 am
por de_bitous
Já tá confirmado, pelo que entendi é a pick 1 pela pick 3, pick 2018 do Lakers protegida, e se não virar essa pick do Lakers, vai a pick do Kings de 2019. Até segunda deve se tornar oficial, mas até os caras já tão confirmado no instagram. Fultz, Simmons e Embiid com um elenco de apoio bacana com Saric, Covington, McConnel, Luwawu, Houlmes, vai ficar bacana. Espero que Embiid consiga jogar a temporada inteira. Só com ele temporada passada o Sixers foi time de Playoffs.

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Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Dom Jun 18, 2017 2:44 am
por erick#9
Cagada de Boston, muita cagada.
Lakers devia ameaçar pegar o Jackson para pegar sua pick de volta.

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Dom Jun 18, 2017 1:17 pm
por danilobaldusco
A verdade é que o Boston prefere Isaiah do que o Fultz.
E eu acho isso uma burrice.

Fultz sera muito mais que o anão peladeiro.

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Dom Jun 18, 2017 1:41 pm
por erick#9
A questão não é nem Azaian ou Fultz, mas eles poderiam usar os dois para buscar um franchise de verdade.

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Dom Jun 18, 2017 3:29 pm
por Evandro_Sixers
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Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Dom Jun 18, 2017 7:35 pm
por coldheart
Sam Hinkie tinha que ganhar estátua na Filadélfia. :valca:

Foi demitido pela liga, mas seu plano que parecia maluco salvou a franquia. :lol:

Agora é torcer para que o pessoal se mantenha saudável e não tenha o triste fim que o Blazers teve com Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, etc.

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Seg Jun 19, 2017 12:00 am
por jaogui
A real do boston eh q devem achar josh ou tatum do msm nível do fultz.

E na trade ganham outra pick top de brinde

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Seg Jun 19, 2017 10:51 am
por de_bitous
Eu acho que Boston vai trocar essa pick ainda. Pegar ela, mais essa outra que ganhou na troca de 2018 do Lakers (ou 2019 do Kings) juntar com algum role player bacana que eles tem (Crowder, Bradley, Rozier, Smart, Jaylen) e trocar por um Jimmy Butler ou alguém do gênero. É o que eu faria, pelo menos. E com isso ainda vão ter a pick do Nets ano que vem, se quiserem trocar por outro all star tipo Paul George, que certamente o Pacers faria.

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Seg Jun 19, 2017 1:06 pm
por Sicker
Danny Ainge malandro demais!

Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Qui Jun 22, 2017 8:30 pm
por Sicker
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Re: Draft 2017 (Draft no dia 22/06!)

Enviado: Qui Jun 22, 2017 9:24 pm
por coldheart
@BenSimmons25

Crazy pills
@JoelEmbiid

Joel Embiid retweetou Ben Simmons

Please dunk on him so hard that his daddy runs on the court to save him..

:lol: