Draft 2013

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jaogui escreveu:oq eh warp?
WARP stands for Wins Above Replacement Player. The term and concept are borrowed from sabermetrics and, specifically, Baseball Prospectus. Conceptually, the WARP system seeks to evaluate players in the context of a team made up of them and four completely average players. The performance of this team is then compared to that of a team made up of four average players and one replacement-level player. The method draws heavily on the work of Dean Oliver.
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Raoni_19 escreveu:Paranhos ganhou um hype do Adrian Wojnarowski agora no Twitter.
Só pode ser explicado por $ ou um bom agente.
Como $ e um bom agente falam muito alto, começo a não duvidar desse maluco ser draftado late second round num time zé bosta perdido. E ganhe pelo menos chance de Training Camp ou contrato não garantido.

Como Raul e Augusto Lima também tem essa chance e Bebê não passará da 21 do Jazz, ousadia sem limites.
Certeza que o agente dele cobrou do Woj alguns favores passados.
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Mock draft 6.0 do chad ford coloca o Lucas Bebe na 14 do Jazz, Alexandre Paranhos na 49 (Chicago), Raulzinho na 50 (Atlanta) e Augusto Lima na 52 (Minnesota)
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Matheusandrade escreveu:Mock draft 6.0 do chad ford coloca o Lucas Bebe na 14 do Jazz, Alexandre Paranhos na 49 (Chicago), Raulzinho na 50 (Atlanta) e Augusto Lima na 52 (Minnesota)

Ta loki...

4 brazucas de uma soh vez?? Impossivel...
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Tô falando que vai ser boa a coisa...

Bebê não passa da 21, afinal, Jazz quer ele. Ou vão arriscar nele na 14, ou se ele sobrar pra 21, vão pickar ali.
Impossível passar disso! Confirmado já por todos os insiders.

Raul e Augusto Lima são os típicos jogadores que devem ser draftados pela garantia de direitos. Talvez não cheguem a ir pra NBA nessa temporada, mas os times garantem os direitos e podem negociar só o contrato depois. Acho que times com vontade de explorar estrangeiros devem ir sim no Augusto Lima. Minessota é um deles, SA é outro, existem outros em menor escala. O Raul é uma dúvida que eu tenho, não sei como está trabalhando nos treinamentos, entretanto, é um nome que acho que acabará jogando na NBA via draft ou FA (talvez não agora, mas num futuro). Talvez pipoque em um time mais perdido. Chicago precisa de um armador pro futuro, isso é óbvio. D-Rose não é o PG nato e Kirk e Nate não são garotos. Talvez seja uma boa opção de second round pra ele nessa posição 49. Atlanta na 50 também é um time meio perdido, quem sabe?

Paranhos é o seguinte: Nunca levei fé. Achei godo. Mas tá claro que tem $ do Barbosa por trás. E não é pouco $. Pipocou no Wojnarowski e na ESPN. Subiu nos mocks do nada (também deve ter business no meio). Como falei antes, capaz de brotar em um time!

Eu apostava no início: Bebê first round, Augusto ou Raul ganham uma chance, outro não, Paranhos totally out.
Agora tô começando a achar que 3 ou até 4 são garantidos, sei lá. Só um feeling mesmo. Pode ser que não e só o Bebê entre, mas sei lá, tô com um sentimento que vão 3 ou 4.
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Se estiver com Leandrinho próximo, aí muda a figura.
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Thierry Henry escreveu:Se estiver com Leandrinho próximo, aí muda a figura.
Leandro é o agente. Ou o irmão dele... Pra mim isso ficou claro.
Se tiver em "outro nome" é só laranja.
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alguma boa alma podia postar o insider do ford ai ne :(
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1. Cleveland - Nerlens Noel
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Analysis: Yes, for the sixth straight mock draft, I have Noel at No. 1 despite a consensus among NBA bloggers that Maryland's Alex Len is going to be the top pick. I wrote a long post on True Hoop Monday night on why I think the Cavs are leaning toward Noel.

Here's the short version: While I think Len and Anthony Bennett also are in play for the top pick, Noel appears to be a better fit with the criteria the Cavs are using this year and have used in the past to select in the lottery. The team itself has remained tight-lipped -- in part because a number of different trade scenarios they are exploring could alter the composition of their team. -- but I think it's going to be Noel.
2. Orlando - Victor Oladipo
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Analysis: If the Cavs pass on Noel, the Magic are leaning strongly toward selecting him with the No. 2 pick in the draft. If Noel is off the board? Things get a little tougher. The Magic have explored a number of trade options if Noel isn't there at No. 2. If they can't work out a trade, it appears they continue to lean toward taking Oladipo over McLemore. While McLemore is a stronger offensive player, Oladipo's defense and his crazy motor hold a strong appeal for the Magic. Cody Zeller is a dark horse here at No. 2.
3. Washington - Otto Porter
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Analysis: With so much up in the air in this draft, Porter to the Wizards at No. 3 remains a constant. He's appeared here in every mock and I think it's unlikely we move him. While the Wizards have a lot of interest in Anthony Bennett, sources say they are now leaning toward taking Porter at 3. He fits a need, fits their culture and is, like Oladipo, viewed as a sure thing by many NBA GMs and scouts.
4. Charlotte - Alex Len
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Analysis: There is essentially zero information coming out of Charlotte right now. That's how the Bobcats like it. Even Michael Kidd-Gilchrist didn't know he was going to the Bobcats until they called his name on draft night. We appear to be in a similar situation here. Len, Bennett and McLemore are the three most obvious fits. While there seems to be some movement toward Len, this one is more of a guess. Indiana's Cody Zeller also has fans in Charlotte, too.
5. Phoenix - Ben McLemore
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Analysis: I'm struggling with where to place McLemore. He's struggled in workouts in Cleveland, Orlando and Phoenix. Everyone loves the talent, but teams are clearly wary of him and the workouts have given pause. I know the Suns would prefer Oladipo, and sources say there's strong support in the front office for Syracuse's Michael Carter-Williams and Indiana's Zeller, as well. We're keeping McLemore here at No. 5, but I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up going a few spots lower in Mock 7.0 on Thursday.
6. New Orleans - Trey Burke
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Analysis: Here's where things really get tricky. If Porter or Len still are here at No. 6, I believe the Pelicans will draft either one of them. If both players are off the board, the team has to move onto Plan B. While Bennett might be tempting, the Pelicans do need depth at the point guard position and will struggle to let Burke slide. Michael Carter-Williams also could be in the mix here.
7. Sacramento - C.J. McCollum
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Analysis: The Kings continue to be all over the place. Every day a new prospect; this reflects a young front office, an inexperienced head coach and owner and very little time to prep for the draft. McCollum, Bennett, Shabazz Muhammad, Steven Adams are all possibilities here. Ditto for Carter-Williams.

However, after his second workout there, McCollum's name is beginning to surface as a potential selection. The Kings also are exploring trades right now. Two sources told ESPN.com that they're using Jimmer Fredette as trade bait to pick up another first-round pick in the mid- to late first round so they can grab either Tim Hardaway Jr. or Tony Snell. The Jazz, in particular, have been looking to move up and like McCollum, so that's one plausible scenario.
8. Detroit - Anthony Bennett
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Analysis: If Bennett slides to No. 8, Pistons GM Joe Dumars will be grinning ear to ear. For the last three years one of the top-ranked players in the draft has slid to the Pistons. In 2010 it was Greg Monroe. In 2011 it was Brandon Knight. In 2012 it was Andre Drummond. If Bennett is there, the Pistons would grab him. He can play both the three and the four, can both stretch the floor and play in the post. The Pistons have other needs, including point guard, but Bennett is too much of a talent to pass up. Burke and Carter-Williams are the other two possibilities in Detroit.
9. Minnesota - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
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Analysis: There seem to be three constants in our mock drafts: Noel at No. 1, Porter at No. 3 and Caldwell-Pope at No. 9. He's been up here for the last three mocks and makes the cut here, as well. While the T-Wolves have interest in other players (Zeller has his fans in Minnesota), Caldwell-Pope has been a favorite of Flip Saunders. The only way this pick probably doesn't happen? If Minnesota finds a way to package the No. 9, No. 26 and maybe Derrick Williams to move up, then they'll grab Victor Oladipo.
10. Portland - Michael Carter-Williams
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Analysis: The Blazers drafted a point guard last year, but they wouldn't hesitate to do it again if Carter-Williams slides. They'd prefer McCollum or Caldwell-Pope, but Carter-Williams would do. He has great size for his position, which should allow the Blazers to play both him and Lillard on the floor together. Zeller and Steven Adams are also possibilities here.
11. Philadelphia - Cody Zeller
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Analysis: Zeller is the fourth constant on this mock. He's appeared at this spot on all six versions. Why? The 76ers need size and athleticsm in their front court and Zeller provides both. I'm told Sergey Karasev, Kelly Olynyk and Mason Plumlee are options here but probably only if Zeller is off the board.
12. Oklahoma City - Steven Adams
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Analysis: Adams has also sat at this spot since the NBA Draft Combine. The Thunder are another team that are notoriously tight lipped, but what little information I can get have Adams, Karasev and Olynyk on their board here. Adams has the most upside so he's at 12, though I wouldn't be shocked if either Karasev or Olynyk went here.
13. Dallas - Sergey Karasev
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Analysis: The Mavericks continue to lean heavily toward trading the pick (if they haven't already). According to various reports, one scenario floating around have them swapping picks with the Cavs. If that happens, it's almost certainly to be for Karasev. There are several other teams who are after Karasev including the Bucks, Hawks and Nets, and they could be great trade partners. If the Mavericks keep the pick, Carter-Williams and Dennis Schroeder also would be possibilities here.
14. Utah - Lucas Nogueira
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Analysis: Not much has changed here since the last mock. If McCollum, Burke or Carter-Williams (probably in that order) are on the board, the Jazz go point guard. If they're gone? The team isn't in love with any of the point guards left on the board. They also need bigs (both Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap are free agents this summer) and it looks like they're open to using the draft to help address that need as well. Nogueira isn't the only guy they'll look at here. Olynyk and Plumlee also have a shot. But I think Nogueria is the most intriguing of the group.
15. Milwaukee - Shane Larkin
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Analysis: If the draft plays out this way, the Bucks are looking at three names -- Larkin, Schroeder or Glen Rice Jr., who's coming in for a second workout on Tuesday. It's hard to say which way the Bucks are leaning, but it looks like Larkin has the slight edge.
16. Boston - Dennis Schroeder
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Analysis: The Celtics are in the process of blowing up the team which makes it even harder to project what they are doing. Four names to keep an eye on here: Adams, Schroeder, Larkin or Olynyk. If the Celtics can convince Schroeder to stay overseas one more year (thus getting him off their cap and letting him develop) he's probably the guy.
17. Atlanta - Giannis Antetokounmpo
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Analysis: I continue to hear Antetokounmpo's name here. The Hawks can stash him overseas, let him develop and in a few years, he could either be the steal of the draft. Or we'll all forget they drafted him. Either scenario probably works for Atlanta.
18. Atlanta - Shabazz Muhammad
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Analysis: There's a point where a player's reward outweighs the risk. I'm not sure where Muhammad's floor is, but it has to be pretty close. Yes, there are flaws in his game, but at some point you can't ignore his scoring abilities. Olynyk, San Diego State's Jamaal Franklin and Michigan's Tim Hardaway Jr. also are possibilities.
19. Cleveland - Reggie Bullock
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Analysis: If the Cavs grab Noel at No. 1, look for them to add a small forward or shooter with the second first-round pick. They would love to get their hands on Karasev if they could; they are trying to move up higher in the draft to grab him. Moving to No. 13 seems to be the consensus of where they need to get to, and it looks like they are willing to eat Shawn Marion's salary for a year to get there in a trade with Dallas. If they can't get to No. 13, Bullock is another shooter they really are high on. Bullock shot 44 percent from 3-point range this season and has the size to play both wing positions.
20. Chicago - Mason Plumlee
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Analysis: Every mock draft we alternate between a big and wing for the Bulls. The Bulls need both. Plumlee is an interesting case. Lots of teams like him, few love him. But I think it would be hard for the Bulls to pass on Plumlee's value at No. 20. Tim Hardaway Jr. and Jamaal Franklin are other possibilities.
21. Utah - Isaiah Canaan
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Analysis: If the Jazz pass on a point guard at No. 14, they have to be content with what's left at No. 21. In this mock draft, both Schroeder and Larkin are off the board already. But that's OK. I think they like Canaan just as much as those other guards. While he's not quite McCollum, but Canaan's another dynamic scorer who can shoot and get to the basket. Nogueria and Rudy Gobert are also potential picks here if the Jazz go with a point guard at No. 14.
22. Brooklyn - Kelly Olynyk
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Analysis: Olynyk might have one of the largest ranges of anyone in the draft. He'll get looks as high as No. 11 to the Sixers and No. 12 to the Thunder, but he also could work his way down here. Gorgui Dieng and Tony Snell are other options for the Nets at 22.
23. Indiana - Jamaal Franklin
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Analysis: The Pacers are looking at point guards and bigs, but something tells me if Franklin is on the board at No. 23, they'll have a hard time saying no. He's not the shooter they covet, but he's versatile, tough and is a bit like a smaller Kawhi Leonard. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pacers move this pick. They also have some interest in the Kings' offer of Jimmer Fredette for a first-round pick.
24. New York - Tony Mitchell
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Analysis: Mitchell's been at this spot for three mocks and I continue to hear the Knicks like him. He has all the physical tools to succeed in the NBA. Strengh, length, elite athletic ability. And the Knicks really need help on the front line.The Knicks also like Franklin, and South Dakota State's Nate Wolters is a sleeper here.
25. Los Angles Clippers - Tim Hardaway Jr.
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Analysis: The Clippers are going for it and are going to need all the help they can get. That might force them to take a veteran guard who can give them shooting and minutes. Hardaway is a coach's favorite, and I could see the Clippers thinking he'd make a great fit at No. 25.
26. Minnesota - Gorgui Dieng
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Analysis: Dieng has slid in the draft thanks to concerns about his knees, but a number of teams in the 20s still are willing to take the risk. With the T-Wolves in serious talks to swap this pick for the Nets' MarShon Brooks, I could see the Nets grabbing another big to fill out their front line.
27. Denver - Allen Crabbe
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Analysis: The Nuggets are in danger of losing Iguodala this summer after he opted to become a free agent. What they really need is a shooter. Crabbe seems like a great fit for this team. Ricky Ledo is another possibility here as is Tony Snell.
28. San Antonio - Rudy Gobert
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Analysis: The Spurs need size and have never shied away from taking international players. What Gobert lacks in athletic ability he makes up with extreme length for his position. The Spurs also can stash him overseas if they need the cash.
29. Oklahoma City - Ricky Ledo
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Analysis: This might be a bit of a reach. But the Thunder have been looking for an elite shooting guard, and Ledo is as talented as several players in the lottery. He has lots of off-the-court issues, but the Thunder might try to rehabilitate him in their excellent D-League franchise.
30. Phoenix - Tony Snell
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Analysis: The Suns can go a lot of different directions here, but adding one shooter in McLemore might not be enough. Snell has great length for his position and could give the Suns two athletic shooters on the wing.
Round 2

31. Cleveland - Mike Muscala
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Analysis: Muscala will have to make the transition from college center to NBA stretch 4, but he's one of the most skilled big men in the draft and a steal at 31.
32. Oklahoma City - Alex Albrines
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Analysis: With two picks in the first round, I doubt the Thunder are adding a third player capable of making the roster in the second round. Abrines has a lot of talent and is getting to play against elite competition in Spain. The Thunder can afford to be patient.
33. Cleveland - Pierre Jackson
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Analysis: Jackson is one of the more intriguing guards left in the draft. A ton of talent, he's just undersized. He can shoot it, get to the basket and find his teammates. Might be an ideal backup for Kyrie Irving.
34. Houston - Glen Rice Jr.
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Analysis: It would be poetic justice if Rice slips out of the first and lands here. He played for the Rockets' D-League team, the Vipers. They love him. He could go as high as 15 to Milwaukee, but I think this is his floor.
35. Philadelphia - Jeff Withey
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Analysis: The Sixers want size. They got the stretch 4 in Zeller in the first round and here they get an elite shot-blocker in the second. Withey is a steal at 35.
36. Sacramento - C.J. Leslie
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Analysis: Leslie is an intriguing guy. He had the fastest agility scores of anyone in the draft combine. He's an elite athlete, just a tweener. If he ever locks down on defense, he'll be really good.
37. Detroit - Archie Goodwin
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Analysis: Goodwin was billed as a poor man's Russell Westbrook coming into Kentucky. He struggled mightily, but the raw talent is there. He's got elite speed and athletic abilities. If he ever figures out a jumper, he's got a lot of upside.
38. Washington - Erick Green
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Analysis: Green is one of the more underrated players in the draft. He was one of the elite scorers in the nation and a pretty good point guard to boot. He's a solid backup option for John Wall.
39. Portland - Grant Jerrett
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Analysis: Jerrett left school too early, but the truth is he's a very intriguing prospect as a stretch 4. A good get for the Blazers at No. 39.
40. Nemanja Nedovic
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Analysis: GM Neil Olshey may not love international players, but he's not adding more than two rookies to his roster. Nedovic is a great athlete and could be a nice addition down the road.
41. Memphis - Andre Roberson
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Analysis: How do you predict a John Hollinger pick? I just went over to Kevin Pelton's draft rater and looked to see who was highest on his board. Roberson actually was ranked at No. 3 -- in the whole draft! The Grizzlies can't pass on that at 41.
42. Philadelphia - Jackie Carmichael
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Analysis: Carmichael is one of the toughest forwards in the draft. He's a great athlete and very experienced; the Sixers would help build out their front line with this draft.
43. Milwaukee - Lorenzo Brown
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Analysis: In our first-round mock we have the Bucks taking the smallest point guard in the draft. We offset it here by having them take one of the biggest. Brown isn't a great shooter, but he's got great size and a feel for the game.
44. Dallas - Marko Todorovic
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Analysis: The Mavs have always liked international players. Todorovic is big and can play inside and outside. A great draft-and-stash prospect.
45. Portland - Livio Jean-Charles
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Analysis: Again, the Blazers don't have any more spots and are best served by drafting guys and leaving them overseas. Jean-Charles impressed at the Nike Hoop Summit, but he needs more time to develop.
46. Utah - Nate Wolters
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Analysis: The Jazz would be thrilled if Wolters was still on the board here. He was under consideration at No. 21 and brings size and floor vision to the table.
47. Atlanta - Bojan Dubljevic
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Analysis: The Hawks have multiple first-round picks. They're probably not going to mess with second-rounders. The Serbian big man can really shoot the lights out.
48. Los Angeles Lakers - Ray McCallum
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Analysis: The Lakers could use help anywhere, but McCallum brings a lot to the table as a heady point guard who can run a team and get to the rim.
49. Chicago - Alexandre Paranhos
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Analysis: Paranhos was discovered by Leandro Barbosa. (There's a great story on TrueHoop about him.) The Bulls are one of the few teams that have worked him out. Lots of intrigue surrounding a 6-foot-8 NBA athlete who can shoot the rock.
50. Atlanta - Raul Neto
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Analysis: The Brazilian point guard impressed at the Nike Hoop Summit. He has a bright future down the road.
51. Orlando - Phil Pressey
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Analysis: The Magic didn't get their point guard at the top of the draft, but Pressey might be a nice consolation prize here. He sees the floor as well as any guard in the draft. He's great as long as he doesn't think he's a scorer.
52. Minnesota - Augusto Lima
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Analysis: With multiple first-round picks, the Wolves will likely go international as well. Lima is long and runs the floor well. He's very active, but needs to polish his offensive game.
53. Indiana - Myck Kabongo
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Analysis: There was a time when Kabongo was mentioned as a potential lottery pick. He's a steal here for the Pacers and could, with time, earn a spot in the rotation
54. Washington - Erik Murphy
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Analysis: Stretch 4s are always in demand and Murphy can really stroke the basketball from deep.
55. Memphis - Angelo Sharpless
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Analysis: This super-athletic 2-guard who played at Elizabeth City is under the radar, but he's had a series of impressive workouts for teams.
56. Detroit - Solomon Hill
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Analysis: The Pistons could use a small forward and Hill is a player who doesn't excel in any one area, but is a leader on the floor. A perfect fit with a team like the Pistons.
57. Phoenix - Richard Howell
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Analysis: The Suns are soft. Howell is not. End of story.
58. San Antonio - Oleksandr Lypovyy
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Analysis: The Spurs always find these gems late. Lypovyy was the star at the Eurocamp in 2012, but regressed a bit last year. He's worth taking a shot on at 58.
59. Minnesota - Vitalis Chikoko
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Analysis: Chikoko is a long, athletic big man from Zimbabwe who has been playing in Germany. He's not ready for the NBA, but given his size, length and burgeoning skill level, he could be a nice draft-and-stash type player.
60. Memphis - D.J. Stephens
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Analysis: I'm hoping Hollinger will do me a favor here. The best athlete in the draft. Crazy motor. Just undersized and underskilled. I love him. Played for Memphis. If nothing else, he'd put on a hell of a halftime show. Please John?
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C - Vucevic - Bogut - Stone
PF- Sully - Deadman - Josh
SF- Gordon - Barnes - Mirza
SG- Tyreke - Manu - Delaney
PG- Rondo - Teague - Sergio Rodriguez

FDB - Feios, Doidos e Bobos

C - Dirk - Deadman - Spreigths
PF - Mahimi - Diaw - Rich Jeff
SF - Melo - Manu - Meeks
SG - Wade - Iggy - Beasley
PG - Dipo - Bares - Barbosa
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Paranhos fez teste no rockets, é agradou ao time texano.
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Mensagem por marlonks » Qua Jun 26, 2013 2:06 am

Re: Draft 2013

Achei o Pelton completo com comentarios, segue ai
Over the four days leading to the NBA draft, you're going to see a lot of numbers, some of them more important than others when it comes to predicting how players in their teens and early 20s will ultimately perform in the NBA. The most meaningful might be a simple one -- age.

No matter how you study the history of the draft, the results are clear: Younger players end up faring better than older ones. Even during their first seasons, younger rookies develop more compared to their college performance than older ones, a gap that grows as they continue to progress toward their peak.

Age isn't the most important factor in projecting NBA success -- how players have performed in the past is still more important -- but because we're comparing prospects at different stages of the development process, we can really only understand that performance in the context of age. That's the fundamental truth on which my draft projections are built.

I start by translating a player's college statistics to his NBA equivalents. That produces a per-minute rating, player win% (equivalent to PER), that projects how we can expect rookies to perform in the NBA next season. By adding age, I come up with a projection of how many Wins Above Replacement Player (WARP) prospects will produce over their first five years -- the amount of time teams control a first-round pick between the four-year rookie contract and one year as a restricted free agent.

As with any statistical projection, the results are far from perfect. There's too much uncertainty about how any individual will develop to tell the difference between prospects whose projections are decimal points apart. But larger differences can be meaningful indicators of over- or undervalued players.

For more details on the process, as well as past draft ratings, check out the companion piece on Tuesday. If you just want this year's results, keep reading. I've ranked the NCAA players and a handful of international prospects among Chad Ford's top 30, based on their WARP projections, as well as the top 10 players outside this group who look like second-round steals.

LIKELY FIRST-ROUND PICKS

1. NERLENS NOEL, C, KENTUCKY
Noel's Projections | Age: 19
WIN % .488 | WARP 3.6 | FORD'S RANK 1

Noel's WARP projection is a little on the low side for a No. 1 pick and would have put him second behind Kentucky predecessor Anthony Davis in last year's draft. Noel's defensive potential is immense. In addition to the second-best translated block rate of anyone in the draft (only Jeff Withey rates better), Noel also generates a high number of steals for a post player. He joins three post players in my database with translated steal percentages of 2.0 or better: DeJuan Blair, Kenneth Faried and Greg Monroe. That's important because steal rate tends to be an indicator of quickness that translates at the NBA level.

2. OTTO PORTER, SF, GEORGETOWN
Porter's Projections | Age: 20
WIN % .466 | WARP 2.7 | FORD'S RANK 3

Given Noel's injury, Porter might be the surest thing in this year's draft. The Big East Player of the Year rates well across the board; his only statistical weakness (a category in which he's in the bottom 25 percent of past players at his position entering the NBA) is usage rate. Note that Porter, despite playing two years at Georgetown, is younger than freshmen Anthony Bennett and Shabazz Muhammad.

3. KENTAVIOUS CALDWELL-POPE, SG, GEORGIA
Caldwell-Pope's Projections | Age: 20
WIN % .469 | WARP 2.6 | FORD'S RANK 11

Caldwell-Pope rates atop a deep group of shooting guards, thanks in large part to his versatility. With good size for the position, Caldwell-Pope contributes on the glass and has an excellent steal rate. As a pro, Caldwell-Pope may be more efficient than he was as the first option on offense at Georgia.

4. CODY ZELLER, PF, INDIANA
Zeller's Projections | Age: 20
WIN % 2.5 | WARP .475 | FORD'S RANK 10

After a terrific freshman year, Zeller took a step backward last season; he benefits from research showing that performance early in college is more important. Zeller's rebounding is a bit worrisome, but he figures to be an efficient scorer right away.


5. C.J. MCCOLLUM, PG, LEHIGH
McCollum's Projections | Age: 21
WIN % .496 | WARP 2.5 | FORD'S RANK 9

Because McCollum was the Lehigh offense, he has the highest translated usage rate of any player in the top 30. McCollum was still reasonably efficient thanks to his accuracy at the line. And he's an excellent rebounder for a guard who also racked up steals against lesser competition.

6. LUCAS NOGUEIRA, C, BRAZIL
Nogueria's Projections | Age: 20
WIN % .474 | WARP 2.4 | FORD'S RANK 23

For European players who played in the Spanish ACB -- the best domestic league -- or the continental Euroleague and EuroCup competitions, the translation process is the same except it involves players going both to and from the NBA. "Bebe" put up solid stats playing against grown-ups in the ACB. He blocked shots more frequently than Serge Ibaka did in the same league and projects to make nearly 55 percent of his 2-point shots.

7. TREY BURKE, PG, MICHIGAN
Burke's Projections | Age: 20
WIN % .459 | WARP 2.2 | FORD'S RANK 7

Burke rates as the top point guard available. One slight red flag: Burke is a poor rebounder, which tends to be an important indicator for point guards. But nobody in this draft operates better in the pick-and-roll, the foundation of modern NBA offenses.

8. ANTHONY BENNETT, PF, UNLV
Bennett's Projections | Age: 20
WIN % .447 | WARP 2.1 | FORD'S RANK 4

Bennett is the only player in the top 30 without any statistical weaknesses. If he can develop NBA 3-point range after shooting 37.5 percent on 3s at UNLV, Bennett will be the rare stretch 4 who also excels on the glass. But he's as old as many sophomores, which hurts his rating slightly.

9. MICHAEL CARTER-WILLIAMS, PG, SYRACUSE
Carter-Williams' Projections | Age: 21
WIN % .473 | WARP 2.0 | FORD'S RANK 7

Carter-Williams rates a hair behind Burke, and he has plenty of positives on his statistical résumé. Carter-Williams is ahead of Burke in terms of assist, steal and rebound rate. However, Carter-Williams is rated lower overall because he's nearly twice as prone to turnovers and he's a less accurate 2-point shooter.

10. SERGEY KARASEV, SG, RUSSIA
Karasev's Projections | Age: 19
WIN % .429 | WARP 2.0 | FORD'S RANK 13

A productive player in the EuroCup at age 19, Karasev should be able to contribute immediately whenever he comes to the NBA. Karasev is an excellent outside shooter -- he's projected to shoot 37.9 percent beyond the arc -- and a fine passer for a wing. Karasev is the last player with a WARP projection of 2.0 or better, which usually translates into an NBA starter.

11. STEVEN ADAMS, C, PITTSBURGH
Adams' Projections | Age: 19
WIN % .429 | WARP 1.9 | FORD'S RANK 12

Of the project college big men, Adams rates as the best prospect. After developing over the course of his lone season at Pitt, Adams figures to be able to contribute as a rebounder and shot-blocker off the bench right away.

12. GLEN RICE JR., SF, NBDL
Rice's Projections | Age: 22
WIN % .473 | WARP 1.6 | FORD'S RANK 24

Rice's projection is based on a combination of his performance at Georgia Tech in 2010-11 and 2011-12 and last year's D-League translations. Rice was much more effective as a pro, and he's already demonstrated NBA 3-point range.

13. SHANE LARKIN, PG, MIAMI
Larkin's Projections | Age: 20
WIN % .433 | WARP 1.6 | FORD'S RANK 18

In almost every respect, Larkin is statistically a lesser version of Burke. However, he is ahead in terms of steal rate, one of his greatest strengths as a prospect.

14. TONY MITCHELL, PF, NORTH TEXAS
Mitchell's Projections | Age: 21
WIN % .442 | WARP 1.5 | FORD'S RANK 21

As a freshman, Mitchell rated as a top-five pick. As a sophomore, he rated as undraftable. His true ability lies somewhere in between, but his overall numbers suggest he might be slightly underrated.

15. ALLEN CRABBE, SG, CALIFORNIA
Crabbe's Projections | Age: 21
WIN % .426 | WARP 1.1 | FORD'S RANK 25

Statistically, Crabbe comes out as the best shooter in the top 30. Though other players have better translated 3-point percentages, Crabbe was a volume 3-point shooter and accurate at the free throw line (84.7 percent). But he contributes little in terms of blocks or steals.

16. KELLY OLYNYK, PF, GONZAGA
Olynyk's Projections | Age: 22
WIN % .445 | WARP 1.1 | FORD'S RANK 19

Olynyk's shooting touch sets up everything he does offensively, inside and out. His translated true shooting percentage ranks third among the top 30, behind Zeller and Nogueira. Olynyk's poor shot-blocking suggests he'll be better as a power forward than a center.

17. VICTOR OLADIPO, SG, INDIANA
Oladipo's Projections | Age: 21
WIN % .443 | WARP 1.1 | FORD'S RANK 2

More than any other prospect, Oladipo is hurt by the emphasis on previous years. Based just on his junior season, Oladipo's WARP projection would crack the top 10. He was much less effective on offense his first two seasons, which has historically proved more indicative of NBA potential. Oladipo will be an impact defender either way, but he needs to contribute offensively to justify a top-five pick.

18. BEN MCLEMORE, SG, KANSAS
McLemore's Projections | Age: 20
WIN % .404 | WARP 1.1 | FORD'S RANK 6

McLemore's statistical profile reflects the conventional wisdom that he was too passive at Kansas. His translated usage rate (17.4 percent) is low for a top-10 pick, especially a shooting guard. Of greater concern is how rarely McLemore got to the foul line. And for a player who rarely created his own shot, he was surprisingly prone to turnovers. As a result, McLemore's upside appears overstated.

19. REGGIE BULLOCK, SG, NORTH CAROLINA
Bullock's Projections | Age: 22
WIN % .443 | WARP 1.0 | FORD'S RANK 23

Another late bloomer, Bullock played his best basketball as a junior, even when adjusted for age. As a dangerous 3-point shooter, he should be useful as a role player.

20. ISAIAH CANAAN, PG, MURRAY STATE
Canaan's Projections | Age: 22
WIN % .430 | WARP 0.8 | FORD'S RANK 29

Canaan rated much better as a junior than during his senior year, when he took on a larger role offensively. But playing with more talented teammates in the pros may help him get back to that level. However, Canaan's translated 41.6 percent 2-point shooting is worrisome.

21. JAMAAL FRANKLIN, SG, SAN DIEGO STATE
Franklin's Projections | Age: 22
WIN % .424 | WARP 0.7 | FORD'S RANK 20

Franklin's athleticism manifests itself in excellent rebounding for a small forward, let alone a 2-guard. But Franklin will have to improve his 3-point shooting and cut down on his turnovers to avoid being an offensive liability.

22. TIM HARDAWAY JR., SG, MICHIGAN
Hardaway's Projections | Age: 21
WIN % .405 | WARP 0.6 | FORD'S RANK 28

A volume scorer in training, Hardaway figures to have an above-average usage rate while scoring inefficiently both inside and outside the arc.

23. ALEX LEN, C, MARYLAND
Len's Projections | Age: 20
WIN % .366 | WARP 0.3 | FORD'S RANK 5

If Len indeed goes No. 1 -- or anywhere in the top 10 -- it will be on the strength of scouting and not his performance. Len was ineffective in two years at Maryland, and while that's partly attributable to the system in which he played, Len has no such excuses for his poor rebounding. His low translated steal rate is also an enormous red flag -- no player in my database has ever come up with steals so infrequently. Granted, DeAndre Jordan and Ryan Anderson have been able to overcome similarly low steal rates, but Hasheem Thabeet has not.

24. GORGUI DIENG, C, LOUISVILLE
Dieng's Projections | Age: 23
WIN % .435 | WARP 0.2 | FORD'S RANK 27

The oldest player in the top 30, Dieng might have more upside than his age indicates because he picked up the game so late. At worst, Dieng will be an excellent defender, which would justify taking him in the 20s.

25. TONY SNELL, SF, NEW MEXICO
Snell's Projections | Age: 21
WIN % .379 | WARP -0.2 | FORD'S RANK 30

With his long arms, Snell looks the part of a defensive stopper, but he compiled few defensive stats. He rarely comes up with steals and was a nonfactor on the glass at New Mexico.

26. MASON PLUMLEE, C, DUKE
Plumlee's Projections | Age: 23
WIN % .407 | WARP -0.4 | FORD'S RANK 22

The coveted athleticism that will make Plumlee a first-round pick is nowhere to be found in his numbers. Even after a breakout senior year, his translated rebound, steal and block rates are merely average for a rookie post.

27. SHABAZZ MUHAMMAD, SF, UCLA
Muhammad's Projections | Age: 20
WIN % .335 | WARP -0.7 | FORD'S RANK 17

Since I covered Muhammad's weaknesses during the season, his projection has only gotten worse. Now, Muhammad and Plumlee are the lone top-30 players projected to rate worse than a replacement-level player -- the type of free agent available for the minimum. Among past players with subreplacement projections, about one-sixth have ended up actually performing better than replacement in the NBA.

NO PROJECTIONS: Antetokounmpo, Schroeder and Ledo

Three top-30 players are without statistical projections. Giannis Antetokounmpo and Dennis Schroeder played only in domestic leagues that rarely send players to the NBA, while Ricardo Ledo spent his only season at Providence ineligible and thus has no NCAA stats.

SECOND-ROUND STEALS

1. ANDRE ROBERSON, SF, COLORADO
Roberson's Projections | Age: 21
WIN % .497 | WARP 2.6 | FORD'S RANK 39

Roberson fits a second-round stereotype -- an undersized power forward with big-time athleticism. He struggled last season trying to play more on the perimeter, but has excelled defensively and on the glass against bigger players. Consider Roberson a poor man's Kenneth Faried.

2. D.J. COOPER, PG, OHIO
Cooper's Projections | Age: 22
WIN % .504 | WARP 2.3 | FORD'S RANK 59

Cooper, who led Ohio to the Sweet 16 in 2012, has the best translated assist rate in the draft and racked up steals in the MAC. Scouts are probably rightfully concerned about Cooper's inability to finish -- his translated 2-point percentage is below 40 percent.

3. NATE WOLTERS, PG, SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
Wolters' Projections | Age: 22
WIN % .492 | WARP 2.2 | FORD'S RANK 36

A crafty ball handler with good size for the point, Wolters rarely turns the ball over and excelled at setting up shooters in a spread offense. Along with Bennett, Wolters is the other prospect without any statistical weaknesses for his position. His translations suggest he could be an effective backup next season.

4. PIERRE JACKSON, PG, BAYLOR
Jackson's Projections | Age: 21
WIN % .482 | WARP 2.1 | FORD'S RANK 35

Jackson was the primary creator at Baylor last season, posting an above-average translated usage rate as well as an elite steal rate. He's also a dangerous outside shooter who could serve as instant offense from the bench, similar to the smaller Earl Boykins.

5. ARSALAN KAZEMI, PF, OREGON
Kazemi's Projections | Age: 23
WIN % .510 | WARP 2.1 | FORD'S RANK 56

After excelling at Rice, Kazemi demonstrated last season he could do the same thing against better competition. He's an outstanding rebounder who uses his quickness to come up with steals against bigger opponents.

6. RYAN BROEKHOFF, SF, VALPARAISO
Broekoff's Projections | Age: 22
WIN % .497 | WARP 2.0 | FORD'S RANK 74

A deep sleeper who only recently appeared on Ford's top 100, Broekhoff was a versatile contributor for the Horizon League champs. He has 3-point range and is a good passer for a wing, but scouts will question the strength of competition he faced.

7. KHALIF WYATT, SG, TEMPLE
Wyatt's Projections | Age: 22
WIN % .474 | WARP 1.6 | FORD'S RANK 78

Wyatt's awkward game hasn't won many fans among NBA scouts, but his translations suggest he'll be a capable scorer with the ability to create offense for his teammates as a shooting guard.

8. MIKE MUSCALA, C, BUCKNELL
Muscala's Projections | Age: 21
WIN % .460 | WARP 1.5 | FORD'S RANK 33

Muscala's combination of size and shooting touch could make him an effective pick-and-pop big man.

9. MARKO TODOROVIC, PF, SERBIA
Todorovic's Projections | Age: 21
WIN % .442 | WARP 1.5 | FORD'S RANK 63

Todorovic more than held his own in the Euroleague last season and should be a high-percentage shooter with the ability to step out beyond the 3-point line at times.

10. GRANT JERRETT, PF, ARIZONA
Jerrett's Projections | Age: 19
WIN % .415 | WARP 1.5 | FORD'S RANK 38

Though Jerrett unexpectedly entered the draft after a disappointing freshman season, his translations show promise. In particular, they suggest he has to be a more accurate 2-point shooter than he was in his time at Arizona (41.3 percent on 75 attempts). If he is, Jerrett could prove a stretch 4 (he shot 40.5 percent on 3s) with uncommon athleticism for the position.


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Não vi outra fonte postar isso, mas ai vai a info...se souberem de algo mais.
Para mim parece nitido que o Wizards vai numa escolha mais segura do Porter.

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Developing, breaking story: According to sources, the Bobcats are actively shopping Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, and plan on replacing him by drafting Otto Porter at #4.

Apparently, the Bobcats are working under the belief that the Wizards will draft Anthony Bennett at #3.
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AlexKennedyNBA Cleveland has offered New Orleans the No. 1 pick for Greivis Vasquez, the No. 6 pick and a 2014 first-round pick
Cavs com chances fortes de pensar demais e fazer merda ....
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marlonks escreveu:
AlexKennedyNBA Cleveland has offered New Orleans the No. 1 pick for Greivis Vasquez, the No. 6 pick and a 2014 first-round pick
Cavs com chances fortes de pensar demais e fazer merda ....
Por que eles fariam isso ?
Sério, isso ai só pode ser mentira.
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Tem link ou vai passar em algum canal?
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NBA Green Room Invites (cnt'd): Alex Len, C.J. McCollum, Ben McLemore, Nerlens Noel, Victor Oladipo, Otto Porter, Cody Zeller

NBA Green Room Invites: Steven Adams, Anthony Bennett, Trey Burke, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Michael Carter-Williams, Sergey Karasev (cnt'd)
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danilobaldusco escreveu:
marlonks escreveu:
AlexKennedyNBA Cleveland has offered New Orleans the No. 1 pick for Greivis Vasquez, the No. 6 pick and a 2014 first-round pick
Cavs com chances fortes de pensar demais e fazer merda ....
Por que eles fariam isso ?
Sério, isso ai só pode ser mentira.
Dependendo da proteção da escolha de 2014 é uma ótima troca para eles.
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O DE também atualizou o mock também está com o Raul na #50 (faz sentido, Hawks vai usar esta pick para stash), mas nada do Augusto ou do Paranhos.
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Este draft pode nao ser o mais empolgante em termos de nomes de jogadores.

Mas estar muito legal a imprevisibilidade e a expectativa, a poucas horas do draft ninguem sabe quem será o numero 1!!!!

Qual foi a ultima vez que isto aconteceu??? já vi gente colocando o Noel, o Len, Mclemore, Porter, Burke, Bennet e até Oladipo em primeiro lugar.
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